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Policy on Rescheduling match

Will the Paddle Czar please give the proper protocol for resheduling a match when both players have conflicts the same night....Can the opponent unilateraly take a forfeit or should there be a reasonable ( and not unreasonably withold the opportunity to reschedule) expectation to get it made up prior to the end of the session.

It seems that taking a forfeit defeats the purpose of what we are all in the league for...its fun and not the world championships!
TShanz
01/10/2015

 
I am by no means the czar, but by strict letter of the law, they are entitled to take the W.
A Ponticello
01/10/2015

 
For what its worth, I think Angelo should be named the Paddle Czar.
Paddle Mediation Dept
01/11/2015

 
I'm kind of hurt that you give Angelo the nickname Czar that easily.
Mike Fratello
01/11/2015

 
Ange,

I myself am sensitive to the fact that extenuating circumstances come up, if both players can't play whats the point of getting 2 subs to play. In 25 yrs. (i know showing my age) of playing I never took a forfeit.
Terry Shannon
01/12/2015

 
And that-- double subs -- is not allowed anyways--in your case it comes down to the opponents. We have always tried to accommodate because we are afraid of the negative paddle KARMA that will rear it's ugly head.
A. Ponticello
01/12/2015

 
Who could say no to the charming and disarming Terry Shannon?
Paddle Groupie
01/12/2015

 
wah wah wah...The men's league seems so whinny. It's great that women are non petty and demonstrate tremendous etiquette on and off the court.
gladtobefemale
01/13/2015

 
"It seems that taking a forfeit defeats the purpose of what we are all in the league for...its fun and not the world championships!"

Doesn't this really mean the opposite of what your are trying to say??

Your position should be: we cannot play tonight, take the forfeit for league purposes (b/c as I stated above, it's not the world championship) AND since we really want to play, can we set up a match another time.

Wouldn't THAT make more sense since you are complaining about the competitive situation.....you seem to be the one that is competitive by not just taking the forfeit....

Right? That's okay.....PINF!
Paddle Is No Fun "PINF"
01/14/2015

 
The most annoying situation is not getting to play on Thursday night. Get a sub(s). *If* your opponents want to reschedule the match, great. But the point of a Thursday night league is to play on Thursday night.
Wanna Play
01/15/2015

 
At TCR, we're getting some pushback from the membership vis a vis making the club's courts available without limit to the various tournaments we've got going( I count 8 open tournaments scheduled for this season). My sense is that some clubs are bearing more of the tournament court usage burden than others. Is my perception correct? I'd like to hear from the various tournament organizers on this. Thanks
Paddle your mamma
01/16/2015

 
It's simply bad sportsmanship and discourteous to fail to field a team( either via the regulars or subs) for your scheduled Thursday night time:
-Both you and your opponents enter into an implicit contract to do so when you sign up for the league;
-As such, league players have the expectation of and look forward to playing on Thursday night and it's rude to deny your opponents of that expectation;
-Finally, a club is not obliged to accommodate make-ups because,particularly at the busier clubs, they cut into other scheduled events. Also( provided you are being honest about guest fees), it can get to be quite expensive( unless everyone involved belongs to the same club).

So in my view if you don't show up for your scheduled time( either personally or via a sub), you should be a stand-up guy and take your default.
paddle your momma
01/16/2015

 
See - paddle IS no fun......let me restate, members at TCR that think tournaments and/or people playing makeups are a problem & take up "member time" ARE NO FUN.

TCR is losing members all the time.....I wonder why.
Paddle Is No Fun "PINF"
01/20/2015

 
TCR has the highest number of paddle members in the county but also the highest paddle member to court ratio, therefore, court usage has to be managed so that EVERYONE'S paddle pleasure is maximized( not just that of those who want free rein to play their league matches whenever they please).
Paddle your mamma
01/21/2015

 
If you sign up for league matches on Thursdays, make it a point to play, period. We are all grownups, if you sign up for something do it or take the L.
While we're on the topic, how about everyone showing up a little early for your matches? If you have a 6 pm match, and you amble in right at 6, then tie your shoes, then stretch, then warmup, then don't start til 6:15, it pushes everyone else's matches back so the 8:30 ones don't start til 8:45 or later.
Pedro
01/22/2015

 
I totally agree with Pedro:

When I first joined the league, if you were 10 minutes late, you forfeited a set and '15 minutes late, you forfeited the match. Somehow, that rule seems to have gone by the wayside and should be reiterated/reinstituted by the paddle czar.

Some people are chronically(and, apparently when it comes to league matches, with impunity) late which is not only discourteous and inconsiderate to your immediate opponents( who have made the effort to be on time) but it also backs up those playing in the next time slot.

So please paddle czar reinstitute the rule...and to those who are chronically late, grow up and/or take your narcissism elsewhere.
Paddle your Mamma
01/22/2015

 
I totally agree with Pedro:

When I first joined the league, if you were 10 minutes late, you forfeited a set and '15 minutes late, you forfeited the match. Somehow, that rule seems to have gone by the wayside and should be reiterated/reinstituted by the paddle czar.

Some people are chronically(and, apparently when it comes to league matches, with impunity) late which is not only discourteous and inconsiderate to your immediate opponents( who have made the effort to be on time) but it also backs up those playing in the next time slot.

So please paddle czar reinstitute the rule...and to those who are chronically late, grow up and/or take your narcissism elsewhere.
Paddle your Mamma
01/22/2015

 
The answer to the sub issue is this:

You can only win points when you play with your partner - if he or she cant make it get a sub - the other team wont care as they win the points anyways

Teams that know they will have issues should sign up as a threesome so they will always have two players available for each match.

This solves two issues - forfeits and people getting subs to help win matches

Teams that are willing to rescgedule certainly can do that but if they are not then get a sub and take the consequences.

In my 15 years of paddle I have never had a team not agree to a reschedule
Steve Pike (yes Ill put my real name out
01/22/2015

 
TCR has the most members and biggest ratio problem. Okay, the question is:

Does TCR want more Paddle members?
Does TCR want fewer Paddle members?

Tournaments, to which very few people out there complain about on a ratio basis (since paddle your mamma is so into ratios) bring people to your courts, bring people to your building and showcase your facility.

Other clubs don't have this issue because paddle is part of their club membership - they are not in the business of bringing in paddle members. Last time I checked, TCR is in the business of bringing in new paddle members.

So - make your call, take a stand and decide who your club is going to cater. If TCR doesn't want more paddle players, start shutting down services, tournaments, support, etc. If TCR wants to grow, maybe new courts are an option; I don't know if you guys ever thought of that, probably difficult geographically......don't know.

My point is...make your call. Don't bitch and moan, figure out the business plan and take the consequences either way.
P.I.N.F. (no fun)
01/26/2015

 
Go home PINF - stop the hating! Can't you see that all people are welcome, we just need to work together to build a better system.
PISF (paddle is so fun)
01/26/2015

 
Thank-you PISF for articulating my point of view so succinctly. It's all a matter of balance. However for the haters who would question the magnanimity of TCR, it just hosted the SIS tournament which had 100 entrants and raised $ tens of thousands for a very worthy cause.
Paddle your Momma
01/27/2015

 
There are only a very few members who complain about the open tournaments at TCR and they are the Saturday morning season courts players who could simply move their matches to Sundays or later in the day. Several of the tournaments start later in the day or release the courts after lunch time as well. TCR also made conscious decision to grow the game and offer new players and existing players the opportunity to have scheduled matches. TCR hosted the SIS and other events to gain exposure and assist with that marketing - another wise move. They have grown as a result of these decisions and are making good revenues that support the other parts of the club. Plus they have the best maintained courts and lighting. Hopefully they can keep that momentum of growing and organizing paddle. Hopefuly their Board will keep an eye on the ball and lookout for all their members best interests and not a few Saturday morning whiners. Two more courts would be nice as well if they could figure out the logistics.
Paddle Guru
02/02/2015

 
Paddle Guru is very wise, i'm terribly impressed.
PINF
02/02/2015

 
Paddle guru and PINF seem to attribute TCR's paddle growth to its participation in tournaments. I think there are other more significant factors at work i.e., intramural leagues, court conditions, etc. As for those "Saturday morning whiners", they happen to be, in large part, long-standing dues-paying members. Why should they be displaced from the court time of their choosing by 8 tournaments a year when the club depends on their financial support? Again, it's a question of balance which we're trying to achieve here. "Not too hot, not too cold, just right".
As for new courts, that's certainly something that deserves careful consideration but isn't a decision to be made casually for many obvious reasons...
Paddle your Momma
02/11/2015