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substitutions

Totally had it with people who can't make a game and then want to reschedule. But can't reschedule on this day or that day and can only do it during certain times which conflict with their partners ability to play. GET SUBSTITUTES in advance to take the loss. Rescheduling has turned into a logistical nightmare! He's a second option. If you can't make it tell your opponents you will play any day at any time other that the game night and let them pick it even if its 6:00 a.m. Tough. You cancelled.
Win
11/05/2009

 
I totally agree!!
Fat Cat
11/06/2009

 
John Topping laid down rules earlier this year vis a vis re-scheduling, substitutes, etc. so there wouldn't be any such controversy and to give "air cover" for responsible resolution. Those who don't follow and/or invoke them are just screwing up the league for everyone else (and sometimes, for themselves). For example,it will be interesting to see what happens at the end of the session to teams who are on the cusp of changing levels but who have one or more incomplete matches.
paddle junkie
11/09/2009

 
Incomplete matches should factor into moving up or down. Sometimes it can work in a teams favor to simply not play the match. Thus, incomplete matches should penalize both teams with a 2 point loss. This would also ensure that matches get played and give teams more incentive to simply get a sub.
Angelo Ponticello
11/09/2009

 
I agree. I have seen a couple players totally manipulate everyone the last week to avoid going down or ensure going up. It's unethical. Especially the last week, there should be no makeups at all.
Off the wall
11/09/2009

 
I agree, I received 3 calls to play with other teams so they could secure a win, some in my level and some not....Just play fairly so the levels even out because your only going to make the next session levels uneven( and could end up just back where you started at the end of the 2nd session in your first level) if you try and cheat your way up.... thanks for bring this to attention!
YoungGun
11/10/2009

 
Ok People simmer down....guess what life happens and there are times when you have to reschedule due to vacations, business trips etc... but isn't this league about playing and competition? Don't you want to play the match against the scheduled opponents? How would you feel about moving up because another team or teams couldn't play? I think having a sub is fine if done fairly and in a timely fashion (within the 6 week session). Yes, we all know how teams that are potentially going down a level utilize the "ringer" sub but that is obvious to everyone.... so enough said. I would prefer to play anytime(since I love paddle)even if a there is a sub. Even if the sub is a ringer you get a chance to test your talent! We all have to be flexible because we never know when we will need to reschedule or need a sub. Peace Paddle players.
paddlediva
11/10/2009

 
paddle diva, you are generally correct, however, there have been obvious abuses which need to be regulated,i.e., the overuse of subs by a team only so that they can cling to a level where they wouldn't otherwise belong if the matches were played with the nominal team members only.I understand this issue is particularly acute at level 1 for both men and women where a certain entitled core of players is protected from degradation regardless of their actual, recently-demonstrated relative lack of abilities.In such cases,instances of substitution should be limited.
paddle junkie
11/11/2009

 
Well said paddle junkie, but the new rules Claudia just posted that teams have to play 4 out of 6 matches with their original team mate should put an end to those entitled few abusing the system at whatever level. I have a friends at level ? that should have gone up to the next level but the team they played in the last week of session 1 got a ringer sub and guess what....that ringer sub made the difference so they are not moving up!!! Yes it is frustrating but I think that the people that do these things are insecure and obviously need the win! I play for the competition and of course moving a level is nice too. However, don't you just love that moment when you are playing someone that is so skilled and experienced and you rally for the moment! You can see the possibilities in the future of your game!!!! I take paddle any way and any day and hope for the best. I like to put the good will out there and hope that it comes back in the form of a great drive and lob...oh yes and a serve wouldn't hurt either! Good luck to you paddle junkie! Peace
paddlediva
11/11/2009

 
One of the best ways to correct the abuse is to let the players know you are onto it. Ringers should know they are affecting the outcome and not sub where it will determine a match and moving up or down especially the last week. I think you should have to play with your partner for every match. Either make it up or sign up as a threesome if you can't make your matches. What is so hard about doing a make up. We all do it when it rains don't we? The difficult situation is when a player gets injured.....I would use past records to give them the benefit until the player gets healthy. If a team has been at a level for awhile they should not move down due to an injury. If they are marginal that is a different story.
one of the entitled who is trying to han
11/12/2009

 
I've been playing paddle a long time and really enjoy the game. However, this season I've noticed so many women who are overly-competitive and too concerned with other teams' records, level-movement, substitutes,knowledge of the rules, etc. Just the outrage that this topic has generated makes me laugh! If someone's pathetic enough to not play with her own partner only because she's concerned about staying at the same level, feel sorry for her. First of all, I'd be so insulted if my partner brought in a ringer instead of playing with me. And secondly, why would you pick a partner who's not very good in the first place? It's called "playing" paddle for a reason: it's not a job and we're not professional athlete's for pete's sake! I just feel so fortunate that I have fun partners who are in it for the same reasons that I am.
keepin' it real
11/12/2009

 
Re: One of the Entitled who's trying to hang:
I would have no problem playing all my matches with a makeup! However, because some few abuse the system we all have to pay the price. There was an honor code we should have adhered to and we should have been able to make all our matches up in the 6 week session. But last year there was no much abuse in the women's league mostly (I am ashamed to say) that Claudia and John Topping had to put "rule" into play makeup within 2 weeks. I work for a living and unfortunately I have had several business trips this session so we had to get a sub (even though I wanted to make up with my own partner because I love to play). So what does that make me? Someone who needs to make a living and loves paddle. Should I not play because I couldn't play for 3 matches out of the whole year? And if you become injured during the session there should be some rule in place that you can take a leave (and stay at the level you deserve) or find equivalent subs. Come on people this is not APTA paddle and you don't get points for this!!!! Sign up for the districts, other District IV paddle tournaments and the nationals and then you will really see some action. I got my but kicked at the Nationals and you know what it was awesome because I learned something...practice, practice, practice thats why you become better not because you get a ringer sub! Peace
paddlediva
11/12/2009

 
Wow Paddle diva you have a lot of passion and time on your hands...lots of posts!! I and most other players work too and love paddle and have done make ups....if players know they will be away they need to plan for it or in the worst case get a sub of equal ability.
hanging on
11/13/2009

 
thank goodness I don't play in the womens league. WOW!!!!!!!! Pretty Cutthroat!!! Just get your exercise and relieve some stress. If it's that important to move up or down you take the game too serious. People cheat in the real world and always will, if you don't like it start doing it too. Can't wait to see these responses. Chill Out and take a breath. Good Luck in session 2.
Smash It!!!!!
the kid
11/13/2009

 
Some of the post's mentioned a "ringer" sub. The sub should be at the same level. If not you are playing for fun. John Topping laid down a rule recently that if a team gets a sub and the sub is not playing at a level and is not a posted sub the other team takes a win. That way a team with a losing record doesn't become a spoiler by bringing in a level one player to defeat a opponent. I don't know what the problem with getting subs is. I've played volleyball for the last twelve years and you play with who you show up with. So you should work on getting a sub list together early in the season knowing you will have vacations, business trips, et cet.
Win
11/16/2009

 
Hey Hangin on I think we are talking the same language as I agree with what you have posted and re: having too much passion I accept the compliment re: too much time I wish....mostly stolen moments on a plane WIFI.
paddlediva
11/19/2009

 
Perhaps it might be a good idea to move 3 or even 4 teams in each direction in the mid to lower levels. This probably isn't needed in the upper levels. I have seen teams move up a level and immediately sent back down the following session. It is very competitive. But in the lower levels there is less difference between adjacent levels. So having more teams move would make some of these circumstances less important. Perhaps people would be compelled to get a ringer or cancel because they won't move up.
Left Out
11/20/2009